Curse

Eldin · Mar 29, 2006, 09:05 PM // 21:05

He got the idea of having jade involved in EVERYTHING from the mursaat. Ever notice their towers, soul batteries, statues, and bows/armors are made of jade?

...jade jade jade...what is ArenaNet's obsession with jade?

Haggard · Mar 29, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Maybe the mursaat just hired some Luxon builders to make their forts?

Lexar · Mar 29, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

The Lich and Shiro died. The staff of Orr was lifted up and dissapeared so in theory the Lich could return, and Shiro's return is pretty much a given so imagine this:

Maybe they will return... as a duo of destructrion! Dunn! Dunn! Dunn!

Eldin · Mar 29, 2006, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Lexar

The Lich and Shiro died. The staff of Orr was lifted up and dissapeared so in theory the Lich could return, and Shiro's return is pretty much a given so imagine this:

Maybe they will return... as a duo of destructrion! Dunn! Dunn! Dunn!

That would be cool, but then the people who are totally new to the game and ONLY have Factions would be confused on who this lich fellow is.

draxynnic · Mar 30, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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Originally Posted by Savio

For some reason, I'm willing to bet that Shiro is not the end-all of the story, and we're probably on the wrong side again. White Mantle, Shining Blade, the Vizier, what?

That's what I think, too. The question that hasn't been asked yet is... why did he kill the Emporer he was sworn to protect? What did he hope to gain?

The cinematic shows him doing something with the Emporer's soul - was it all for personal power he thought he could achieve by consuming said soul, or was that just to prevent resurrection from working? Was he hired, manipulated or posessed to kill the Emporer - and if so, who's behind him? Or was this one of the 'protect the Empire over the Emporer' things, and he felt for some reason that the continent would be better off with the Emporer dead?

All of those but the first imply there is indeed more going on than we have yet been shown.

Warcheif_Jonval · Mar 30, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Anets obbsession with jade comes from the fact that the vast majority recent jade was made from Shiro's death. It probobly has some major magical properties, being transmuted from basicly every kind of matter, organic or not.

Also, his intentions were not for the good of the empire. He, in his dying breath, obliterated the temple, turned most of cantha into jade, and destroyed the emporer him self. (the emporers death would probobly spark civil wars for power.)

Haggard · Apr 01, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Warcheif_Jonval

Anets obbsession with jade comes from the fact that the vast majority recent jade was made from Shiro's death. It probobly has some major magical properties, being transmuted from basicly every kind of matter, organic or not.

Yeah but they wrote all this after they made the mursaat's primary building material be jade - so the original question would have meant why is it such a running theme rather than where did it all come from.

EDIT: and woot, made Sancho!

FredDie · Apr 02, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

In my theory,The Emperor role was to unite the two factions [Luxons and Kurzick's], but when he was slained the alliance broke out. The each one call themelves as the "True" ancestor of the Emperor... Shiro is very mysterious guy, where he come form???Luxons, Kurzicks or maybe he's form Tyria...?

Guardian of the Light · Apr 03, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Mybe another Wail comes that turns everything back to normal. Seems good at first but...

Kurzick Warrior: DDIIIIIIIIEEEEEE LUXONSS aaa WTF the Jade sea turned back to water
Luxon: HELP I CAN'T SWIN
Other Luxon: OMG SWIN AWAY SHARKS!!

Meanwhile...

Kurzick Father: Look son these wolves are frozen but if they were alive
Kurzick Son: their scary
Kurzick Father: Don't worry they can't hurt you
*wolves get unforzen*
Kurzick Father: WTF AAAA RUN AAAA

ETSubmariner · Apr 03, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

As with all things Asian, the Tao is not suggestive or supportive of the falsehood of the eyes. This is what my eyes see: Shiro Tagachi is a friend and guard of the Emperor. Shiro murders the Emperor and fights off the hordes of warriors come to end his crime, only to be laid low by three heroes of Cantha. His death cry changes the sea to Jade.

For that story to be true, we presume that Shiro is evil (whether all the time or under the influence) for else why would he murder the Emperor? We also presume that the Emperor is good.

To reveal other possibilities, let me turn now to the question of Jade. For that, I relate this story:

A disciple of Confucius once asked him why men valued Jade more than Serpentine. "Is it because Jade is scarce and Serpentine is abundant?"

Confucius replied: "It is not, but it is because men of olden days regarded it as a symbol of the virtues. Its gentle, smooth, glossy appearance suggests charity of heart; its fine close texture and hardness suggests wisdom; it is firm and yet does not wound, suggesting duty to one's neighbor; it hangs down as though sinking, suggesting ceremony; struck, it gives a clear note, long drawn out, dying gradually away and suggesting music; its flaws do not hide its excellences, nor do its excellences hide its flaws, suggesting loyalty; it gains our confidence, suggesting truth; its spirituality is like the bright rainbow, suggesting the heavens above; its energy is manifested in hill and stream, suggesting the earth below; as articles of regalia it suggests the exemplification of that than which there is nothing in the world of equal value, and thereby is Tao itself."

I think my eyes deceive me when it comes to looking at the story of Shiro, so I listen to what my heart tells me. Shiro acted out of love when he attacked the Emperor, love of his Lord and love of his land. Something was affecting the Emperor, some evil or other monstrous activity that the Emperor was keeping concealed from his people. Only Shiro knew this truth, but what to do? He could not let the Emperor's spirit continue to be corrupted, and he knew he could not bring shame to the Emperor by revealing it. He certainly did not hope for his own death though he knew it must come. He did not know his actions would create the Jade Sea or the stone trees. He could only hope to solve one small painful part of his life.

Shiro did what he had to in order to save the Emperor's spirit, and to keep the secret of the evil. No small feat to hide evil, rather, he knew that evil is simply replaced. He had to become the evil so that the truth could be hidden. Shiro's face tells me of his pain, his agony.

When Shiro murders his friend and Lord, the evil within the Emperor is released to merge with Shiro. Of course, Shiro had intended to let himself be slain perhaps or to exile himself to some far off land, but with the evil within him fighting for control, he attacked and killed loyal soldiers and friends.

How can this alternative tale be true? I say this is a possible because the sea turned to Jade - how could Shiro who is so 'obviously' evil create Jade? No, Shiro's death cry was truly one of sorrow and desperation and pain.

I think it is possible that the assassin might have been in Shiro's confidence. His spirit, pure, true to the form of life and friendship and powerful once released into the world changed the landscape. How could friendship and such sacrifice not change the world? Jade is often seen as a symbol of purity of heart and duty to one's neighbor. The gem also symbolizes compassion, modesty, courage, justice and wisdom. So again, how could Shiro's evil create Jade?

In addition to the sea turning to Jade, the trees turned to stone. One cannot be without the other. Shiro's great and pure sacrifice created Jade, but his act of murder turned his 'truth' to stone.

As a side note, in our own world, Jade was used to create talismans called 'bi', a funerary object used to guide the spirit to Heaven. It is believed that Jade preserved a body.

Shiro’s body is preserved in the Jade, but his 'truth' is of stone. When you walk the Jade Sea, you invoke the true spirit of Shiro and his choice. The Shiro that has/is returning is not the man who was friend to an Emperor. His return is without the true spirit, and is corrupt, of the earth only, and so here we are at the end of my alternative tale.

Shiro was good, a great man with great love, and he took the life of his friend and became evil so his friend could rest. He did not want the Empire to fall to ruin, or the sea to turn to Jade, but great crisis breeds great change.

Lexar · Apr 03, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Maybe he was drunk and it seemed a good idea at the time to kill the emperor.

ETSubmariner · Apr 04, 2006, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Lexar

Maybe he was drunk and it seemed a good idea at the time to kill the emperor.

Drunken Master?

Elena · Apr 04, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Lexar

Maybe he was drunk and it seemed a good idea at the time to kill the emperor.

i still wonder what all that stuff was when he killed the emperor like *wooosh power inject now into you*

merciless · Apr 04, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Shiro Tagachi made the whole area around him into solid jade. This is what I found about the myth of jade:

...Jade was used not only for the finest objects and cult figures, but also in grave furnishings for high-ranking members of the imperial family. Today, too, this gem is regarded as a symbol of the good, the beautiful and the precious. It embodies the Confucian virtues of wisdom, justice, compassion, modesty and courage...

Francis Demeules · Apr 04, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Well, I think about Shiro got possessed by, how can I say, *Evil*. If he was the most trusted, why he kill them all. Got a good rank and stuff, what else? When he got killed, I say, its all the *Evil* which it has been consummed during that time. Maybe the Emperor was the key to make Alliance between Luxon and Kurzick and maintain peace in Cantha. Like Convenant has said, its look like a symbol at the end burned on the floor and we hear " Evil has returned!". On that, I say Shiro is already dead (Flesh and Soul) and that *Evil* will find another bond to make another disaster like in the movie.

In all, I dont think Luxon or Kurzick started the war, I think is that *Evil* has corrupted in another poor citizen (Perhaps both for each nation) and trick these nations to make them in war. After that, when Luxon and Kurzick will be weak, It will attacks both to annihiliate all Cantha in one blow. If Sea turned into Jade stone and forest into stone, I wonder how powerful can be if Shiro was more corrupted.

V for Vendetta · Apr 05, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Maybe the return of Mursaats?

I think Shiro will ally himself with either Kurzik or Luxon to promote malice and hatred in Cantha, his true intention, i don't know, maybe emperor was one of the chosen so they manipulated Shiro to kill the emperor?

Eldin · Apr 05, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

I doubt they would try to make the factions something like "This faction is good, this one is evil". It's just a difference in beliefs and culture...a specific faction being "evil" would not seem right. Maybe at a point he'll ally with both (like Vizier Khilbron)...to get the Scepter of Dorr...IAN! With such he'll unleash the power of mini-confessor dorians upon the world.

ETSubmariner · Apr 05, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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. . . maybe emperor was one of the chosen so they manipulated Shiro to kill the emperor?

That leads to my question, are there "Chosen" in Factions. Or more specifically, is there "Ascension"? If so, Shiro no doubt would be Ascended. Guess will just have to wait!

Francis Demeules · Apr 05, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by ETSubmariner

That leads to my question, are there "Chosen" in Factions. Or more specifically, is there "Ascension"? If so, Shiro no doubt would be Ascended. Guess will just have to wait!

Just thinking something
If you want to import your char to Faction from Prophecies, you must first be ascend. I think, Faction will have an ascension system or something like this. Problably Shiro was already Ascended.

I just hope Faction will not be an Onimusha style: Fight against the Oni and save the world (Shiro = Nabunaga Oda). I already got a fight against the Oni during the Beta.

benmou13 · Apr 11, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

in the factions video if you've actually watched it you fight shiro hes lvl 28 can someone tell me if i have gotten this wrong? and he dont look undead to me.